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Ron Paul and Israel

29th July 2011      by: Tom Woods     

Michael Makovi writes:

There is a strong current in the Israeli right wing for Israel to stop accepting American money. The (decidedly statist) late Rabbi Meir Kahane advocated this, the presently living (and libertarian) Moshe Feiglin of the Manhighut Yehudit (“Jewish Leadership”) faction of the Likud party advocates this (Feiglin, a right-wing, pro-Israel libertarian, is the inveterate enemy of Benjamin Netanyahu of the same Likud party, and Netanyahu never misses an opportunity to stab Feiglin in the back), and in my yeshiva, Machon Meir, Yehuda ha-Kohen of the Zionist Freedom Alliance would frequently say, in his lectures, that Jews ought to support Ron Paul as the most pro-Israel candidate.

Here is an article in Arutz Sheva, the media voice of the “settler” movement, in favor of Ron Paul.

Here is an article summarizing all the voices in Israel that call for an end to American aid.

Here is an article by Moshe Feiglin calling for an end to American aid.

It amuses me to no end that all the most Zionist voices in Israel call for an end to American aid to Israel. As best I can figure, it is only the LESS Zionist voices that advocate for aid. I am not so cynical as to say that the people advocating for American aid to Israel are actually conspiring to harm Israel in a subtle way, but I do believe they are ignorant, and that the more Zionist people are simply wiser and more learned about what will truly benefit Israel. Ron Paul has some splendidly pro-Israel remarks in his interview with Mike Church, and I wish more Zionists would listen to Ron Paul.

Unlearn the Propaganda!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BR53HBDRYJBFAON72CFPFGFD5Q Parker

    And as Paul has rightly pointed out, the US gives far more aid to nations presumably hostile to Israel according to PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/may/21/ron-paul/us-rep-ron-paul-says-arab-and-muslim-nations-get-t/). So if all US foreign aid were to stop, it should be a net benefit to Israel… not to mention US taxpayers.

  • http://traditionalliberalism.blogspot.com/ classicalliberal

    Here is another piece on the negative impacts of US aid from the Jerusalem Institute of Market Studies by Yarden Gazit.

    http://www.jims-israel.org/pdf/PPusaidEnglish.pdf

  • Moti

    I would add that to the article!

  • Saifedean

    Tom,

    That’s a pretty amazing position for a libertarian to support what is not just a state, but a state that is built on religious-based discriminatory land theft, expropriation and ethnic cleansing. How can you square this support for Israel with the fact that the Israeli government has spent the last 60+ years systematically robbing people of their land, kicking them out, and murdering them simply because they happen to belong to a different religion from the officially-sanctioned state religion. I say this as someone whose own grandfather lost land. 

    This struggle is not one between two states, or one between two peoples. This is between a racist murderous state that is ethnically cleansing a piece of land in order to make it homogeneous.

    How would you feel about establishing a religiously-exclusive state in your hometown that doesn’t include you? Would you support a Hindu exclusive state that engaged in systematic ethnic cleansing of non-Hindus? Would that be in accordance with your libertarian principles?

    Mind you, I agree with you and Ron Paul on the need to stop the aid, but not because it will help Israel. Once the insane support of America is gone, Israel will then need to sober up and come to terms with its reality. It can’t continue ethnically cleansing and murdering with impunity. The current US-Israel relationship strengthens the craziest Zionist nutjobs in both Israel and America, and puts them in charge of policy in both countries. Hence, religious fundamentalist statist criminals like Dennis Ross, Eliott Abrams, Marty Peretz, Netanyahu end up calling the tunes, pursuing an insane murderous policy that is counter-productive to the interests of America and Israel–let alone the Palestinians, not that you seem to care.

  • http://tomwoods.com Tom Woods

    I don’t support any state, and my writing on this topic makes clear I am an apologist for no one. I reproduced this without editorial comment because I found it interesting. The “not that you seem to care” remark was pretty uncalled for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Insko/100000927025663 Tom Insko

    Like any other recipients of Washington “aid” Israel would be the better without it and all the strings attached. Is Egypt a better country for all the billions we have poured into it? Are Muslims and Communists better global citizens when the U.S. government showers them with taxpayer money?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Insko/100000927025663 Tom Insko

    So, the 1 million Arabs living in Israel with full citizenship, voting rights, and full representation in the Knesset are being “ethnically cleansed?” 

  • Anonymous

    Did you actually read this article? You just jumped to extreme conclusions about things that were never even written.

  • Scott Weisman

    I like Moshe Feiglin and have counted myself a supporter for many years, but he is decidedly not libertarian. I have had many arguments with recent statements of his, especially vis a vis automobile accidents (which he has displayed a sudden interest in due to his son being involved in a very serious one last year) and mandatory insurance, among other issues.

    He is not libertarian, and most of what he advocates involves making the state more “efficient,” not smaller. I wish he had as solid a foundation of principles that Ron Paul has. He doesn’t

  • Anonymous

    Only people who back the NWO twist Dr Paul’s words and make him seem like an anti-semite.

  • http://profiles.google.com/dixiepassion DIXIE PASSION

    I am totally for America to stop giving money to Israel and many others who do not really need our so called “help”

  • http://twitter.com/Theycallmelurch Kyle O’Laughlin

    The 800,000 that were cleansed sure were.  The 1 million second class citizens doesn’t make up for 530+ villages, 100+ cities, and hundreds of thousands of people being forced off their land through terrorism and violence.  Contrary to popular belief, Muslims aren’t the only ones capable of terrorist attacks.

  • Lenny

    Wouldn’t foreign aid still be theft from the US taxpayer and hence 100% wrong even IF all of the recipients wanted the money?  Opposing foreign aid, “even” to Israel, does not have to be defended by quoting some Zionists who don’t want the money for whatever reason.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BXDTNK5QMZEC5VBPO5W5F7DJ2U Sam Freeman

    You are correct about the assessment from a libertarian
    point of view.  However, someone who does
    not agree with the libertarian point of view on every issue—including foreign
    policy—may still be added to the coalition that will elect Ron Paul
    President. 

    The neoconservatives have made substantial efforts to
    portray themselves as the only true supporters of Israel and to demonize their
    opponents as anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. 
    This article is very helpful in that it provides links to evidence which
    disproves their assertions.  Far from
    being anti-Israel, stopping all foreign aid to both Israel’s neighbors and
    Israel is what is in their interest. 
    Respecting Israel as a sovereign nation means ENDING foreign aid to the
    region. 

    Whereas before the ability to persuade a Zionist ended
    when that person answered by saying they were not a libertarian and that they
    believed in supporting Israel, now the conversation continues.
    We point out the truth by noting that removing the foreign aid to the region as well as the coercion to negotiate on terms dictated by the U.S. we ARE supporting Israel by respecting their sovereignty.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BXDTNK5QMZEC5VBPO5W5F7DJ2U Sam Freeman

    It’s like with the U.S. Dept. of Ed. and the
    states. The U.S. gives just a fraction of the money for primary and secondary
    education, but to get that money the states must grant the feds the ability to
    dominate education policy. The truth is that states would be better off telling
    D.C. where to stick its money and policies–but to list that location on this
    board would be crass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    Sam Freeman is right on the mark. I am myself an anarcho-capitalist, so believe you me, I’d oppose foreign aid to Israel on simply libertarian grounds of its being theft to tax the American taxpayers, and its being violation of the First Amendment’s “freedom of exercise” clause to force people to subsidize (via taxation) the propagation and encouragement of ideologies contrary to their own.

    So the fact that cutting off aid to Israel would benefit Israel (more correctly: it would benefit the citizens of Israel at the expense of the political class), is merely icing on the cake. 

    But I wrote the above in a letter to Walter Block, responding to his “An Open Letter to the Jewish Community in Behalf of Ron Paul” (http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block88.html ), where he argues that Ron Paul is the Zionist candidate._*_ Block himself writes in “An Open Letter About Open Letters” (http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block90.html ) that “[I]t is simply not enough to make the general libertarian case for Dr. Paul’s election: support for free enterprise and private property rights, an immediate pull out from Iraq, return to the Constitution, an end to fiat currency untied to a commodity money that creates inflation and the business cycle, cessation of the ‘war on drugs,’ etc. This is of course magnificent; but we need to do more. This is because there are a lot of people who view the election not from this general perspective of the public good, but rather on the basis of their own more narrow interests. Forget whether or not this is a good thing; it is part of reality that we supporters of Ron need to take into account. This is why I was led to start things off in this regard with my ‘An Open Letter to the Jewish Community in Behalf of Ron Paul’.” So the point is that Sam Freeman has hit the nail on the head.

    _*_ The purpose of my letter was merely to acquaint Dr. Block with some voices in Israel that he, as an American, was probably not aware of. I doubt many American libertarians realize that Benjamin Netanyahu’s sworn enemy, Moshe Feiglin, is a libertarian. On one occasion, for example, Feiglin argued that any Israelis who (rightly) oppose the subsidies the Haredim (Ultra-Orthodox) get from the state, ought to be opposing the subsidies to the universities and the very existence of the Broadcasting Authority: “Open Hunting Season on the Ultra-Orthodox” (http://www.jewishisrael.org/eng_contents/articles/71/article7115.html ). I was recently at the Annual Dinner of his Manhigut Yehudit (“Jewish Leadership”) faction of the Likud, and one thing he showed was a film about life in Israel under his rule: Army Radio, he said, would be shut down, because the Israel Defense Forces’ job is to fight terror, not propagandize, and the Ministry of Education would be shut down, because the Torah says that it is a parent’s job, not the state’s, to educate children. I doubt many Ron Paul supporters have heard of Feiglin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    The 800,000 that were cleansed? You mean the Arabs who voluntarily left their land, despite the Jewish pleadings for them to stay in Israel, because their (the Arabs’) leaders were promising that the Jews would be swept into the sea, and that the Arabs who left their land (in order to avoid collateral damage of innocent Arab bystanders whilst the Jews were being drowned), would be able to return to Israel and plunder the homes of the deceased Jews? Obviously, in the end, the Jews won, and there was no genocide and no plunder. I find it curious that Arabs voluntarily leaving their own land despite the Jews’ pleading for them to stay, is “ethnic cleansing”. 

    And by the way, what about the equal number of Jews who were expelled from their homes in Middle Eastern countries in 1948? Why do we never hear of them?

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    It’s like Walter E. Williams calling welfare policies a giant drug-pusher.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    P.P.S. I’m pretty sure Ron Paul is a closet anarchist, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    Sweet, thanks! I will read those.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    By the way, while I am not sure who “Dennis Ross, Elliott Abrams, [and] Marty Peretz” are, I have to laugh at calling Netanyahu a “religious fundamentalist”. The man is neither religious nor a Zionist. He is a left-wing, non-religious, non-Zionist, who is merely right-wing compared to the anti-religious, anti-Zionist rest of the left-wing. It’s all a matter of comparison; Netanyahu is a leftist, but he’s not as leftist as the rest of the left-wing. If you actually look at his actual policies, he is further to the left than people like Golda Meir.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    I might add that one of my rabbis in yeshiva (rabbinical seminary) was a mashgiah kashrut (kosher certifier) in an Arab factory in Ramallah, until Oslo. On the very day Oslo was passed, he said, he was driving home to Beit El from Jerusalem, and when he got to the highway through Ramallah that connects Beit El and Jerusalem, he was stopped by the IDF, who told him it was no longer safe to travel through there. One way or another, I think the “peace process” is flawed when the very day that Oslo passes, a rabbi has to stop certifying Arab food as kosher because he cannot inspect the factory anymore. So much for social relations between Jews and Arabs!

    And as Moshe Feiglin shows in his book Where There are No Men, Yitzhaq Rabin boasted that his proudest accomplishment in all his years of political service, was his opening fire on the Altalena. Rabin, in the paramilitary Hagana, disliked the competing paramilitary Irgun, and so he opened fire on the Altalena, an Irgun ship, and even shot those who struggled to swim ashore after escaping from the ship. That was Rabin’s proudest moment, by his own admission. 

    In the book The Prime Ministers: An Intimate Narrative of Israeli Leadership, by Yehuda Avner, in a lengthy endnote tucked away in the back of the book, Avner tells about a discussion he had with Rabin, about *why* he was pursuing peace with Arafat. According to Rabin, the reason was – if I may editorialize a bit and stick some words in Rabin’s mouth – that Rabin believed that he had a right to interfere in the internal affairs of a foreign people, and that just as America propped up the Shah of Iran, so too, Rabin felt entitled to bring Arafat out of exile in Tunisia and foist him on an unwilling Palestinian population. The Palestinians were moving towards Iranian-style theocratic religiosity, and Rabin disliked this, so he brought the secular Arafat out of exile, and foisted him on the Palestinians, believing it was better for Israel to deal with a secularist than a theocrat, whether the Palestinians liked it or not. (And whether the Israeli public liked it or not, for that matter! In Israel, at the time, Arafat was universally seen as nothing more or less than a simple murderer. Rabin’s talking to Arafat was seen as the ultimate betrayal, rather akin to if Rabin had signed a peace accord with Hitler.) In other words, Rabin was a fascist, racist imperialist, who cared for neither the Israeli nor the Palestinian peoples. Furthermore, Rabin apparently thought it was enough to sign an accord with a secular *political leader*; the Palestinian *people* were moving towards Iranian theocracy, and Rabin apparently did nothing to attempt to change the opinions of the Palestinian *people*, and he considered their opinions irrelevant to any peace process; apparently, it was enough, in Rabin’s eyes, to sign a peace accord with a head of state, irrespective of what the actual people think. By that logic, Hobbes was correct when he thought – contra Locke – that a state-established church would make people more religious, whereas Locke knew, correctly, of course, that no, if you want the people to be religious, you have to proselytize them, not their government! Oh, but I excuse me, I forgot that a people and its government are conflatable – thanks Rousseau! Avner’s footnote on this subject is summarized at http://www.jpost.com/ArtsAndCulture/Books/Article.aspx?ID=170285

    Whether or not peace is possible in the Middle East, I’m pretty damned sure that following the Oslo Accords of a cold-blood murderer and racist imperialist and fascist statist like Rabin is *not* the way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Peters/803595544 David Peters

    Really great of out-of-context if not outdated articles. Feiglin from 2001 and Arutz 7 from 2007, couldn’;t you do better than that?
    If you think Feiglin is a libertarian, you are a shill for a religious zealot. The quasi-Kahanist dreams of a Halakhically Jewish State, not a libertarian one, so you had better have a Jewish mother.
    If you think Ron Paul’s pronouncements show affiliation with Israel based on shared values, he has never indicated how he would vote in the UN (except of course to day that we leave that wonderful institution), except of course to be friends with all parties. A fine sentiment, until you realized he is equating victom and aggressor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    I believe Rose Wilder Lane in The Discovery of Freedom amply explains why Judaism would have restrictions on suffrage and immigration: Abraham “had taught his increasing family that men are free.” (p. 73) “Abraham said that none of these gods exist. He said that God is the One Creator-and-Judge. God is The Right, he said; Rightness creates the universe and judge’s men acts. (As water judge’s a swimmer’s rightness in swimming, God judges rightness in living.) But God does not control any man, Abraham said; a man controls himself, he is free to do good or evil in the sight of God.” (p. 74) “When you think of the pagan world as it was in the historical time when only the Israelites held this truth, you see their preserving it as the great achievement of all history.” (p. 75) “They were a very small group, surrounded by powerful pagan empires; Egypt in the south, Armenia, Persia, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, in the north and east, and in the west, Rome. The most promising young Israelites were always falling in love with pagan girls. The pagan achievements awed them all. When you see the incredible walls of Baalbek or Tadmor, in ruins as they are now, and even with the memory of New York’s towers behind your eyelids, you are struck dumb. The simple Israelites who saw these gigantic cities in their magnificence, dwarfing their thronging populations, must have been stunned. They would have melted humbly into those pagan multitudes, if their strong men had not stood in the way and driven them back with threats, telling them that they were like no other people, that they were set apart, chosen to know the truth and hold to it. They wanted to be ‘like all the other nations.’ But to be like any other people, they must forget that men are free. That is the truth they held. Therefore, of course, they were anarchists. They lived and prospered for centuries, with no government whatsoever.” (pp. 77f.)
    In other words: as long as Judaism was THE source of libertarianism, then restrictions on political rights (i.e. control of the government, as opposed to human rights, for life in general) and immigration had to exist against gentiles. If being Jewish was the closest thing to a guarantee of being a libertarian, and denial of Judaism was tantamount to a denial of the one basis for libertarianism, then one perhaps (PERHAPS) had to restrict the rights of non-Jews insofar as non-Jews tended to be non-libertarians. How to apply that today is a difficult question, but I think this at least puts the historical issue (in the Bible and the Talmud) of anti-gentile restrictions into perspective.

  • http://twitter.com/NoOne18 Flavia

     I have to very skeptical that anyone who calls Gaza a concentration camp where Israel is starving Palestinians is qualified to be dog catcher, much less president.

    http://trueslant.com/charlesjohnson/2010/06/04/ron-paul-gaza-is-a-concentration-camp-israel-is-starving-palestinians/

    His remarks in the Church interview were in no way “pro-Israel” – they were at best illustrative of his own personal views on foreign aid, tailored to try to ameliorate his other remarks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    I believe Rose Wilder Lane in The Discovery of Freedom amply explains why Judaism would have restrictions on suffrage and immigration: Abraham “had taught his increasing family that men are free.” (p. 73) “Abraham said that none of these gods exist. He said that God is the One Creator-and-Judge. God is The Right, he said; Rightness creates the universe and judge’s men acts. (As water judge’s a swimmer’s rightness in swimming, God judges rightness in living.) But God does not control any man, Abraham said; a man controls himself, he is free to do good or evil in the sight of God.” (p. 74) “When you think of the pagan world as it was in the historical time when only the Israelites held this truth, you see their preserving it as the great achievement of all history.” (p. 75) “They were a very small group, surrounded by powerful pagan empires; Egypt in the south, Armenia, Persia, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, in the north and east, and in the west, Rome. The most promising young Israelites were always falling in love with pagan girls. The pagan achievements awed them all. When you see the incredible walls of Baalbek or Tadmor, in ruins as they are now, and even with the memory of New York’s towers behind your eyelids, you are struck dumb. The simple Israelites who saw these gigantic cities in their magnificence, dwarfing their thronging populations, must have been stunned. They would have melted humbly into those pagan multitudes, if their strong men had not stood in the way and driven them back with threats, telling them that they were like no other people, that they were set apart, chosen to know the truth and hold to it. They wanted to be ‘like all the other nations.’ But to be like any other people, they must forget that men are free. That is the truth they held. Therefore, of course, they were anarchists. They lived and prospered for centuries, with no government whatsoever.” (pp. 77f.)

    In other words: as long as Judaism was THE source of libertarianism, then restrictions on political rights (i.e. control of the government, as opposed to human rights, for life in general) and immigration had to exist against gentiles. If being Jewish was the closest thing to a guarantee of being a libertarian, and denial of Judaism was tantamount to a denial of the one basis for libertarianism, then one perhaps (PERHAPS) had to restrict the rights of non-Jews insofar as non-Jews tended to be non-libertarians. How to apply that today is a difficult question, but I think this at least puts the historical issue (in the Bible and the Talmud) of anti-gentile restrictions into perspective.

    I think this would be, more or less, a Hoppe-ian sort of perspective.

  • Scott Weisman

    Michael, I would like to know why you think Moshe is a libertarian? He supports mandatory auto insurance, has a strange fixation with insinuating the state into private disputes that don’t involve the state (motor vehicle accidents are classic torts and best left to the batei din to adjudicate on a case-by-case basis), and despite calling for the abolition of the Ministry of Education, has also called for mandating a certain amount of Jewish content in education. I have not heard him conflate the income tax with slavery, which it very much is, or call for its abolition. Finally, the key institution of big government, the central bank, merits barely a whisper from him. There is zero mention of restoring the silver shekel.

  • Libertarian

    Who cares about Israel or Arab states. Let’s just go about our business, keep our money and have fun in life. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BXDTNK5QMZEC5VBPO5W5F7DJ2U Sam Freeman

    The point of the article is that Ron Paul’s policy of
    non-interventionism is what is supportive of Israel because it is the only
    policy that respects Israel and other nations as sovereign nations.  I don’t see how you interpret it as saying
    that Ron Paul or Thomas Woods endorse Israel’s or another nation’s policies,
    this would be interventionism which is what we have now.

    By adopting a non-interventionist policy, many groups are
    better off, first and foremost the United States.  Israel’s interests are also served by no
    longer having the United States coercing them to the negotiating table and
    trying to dictate terms they “should” adopt—this why American Zionists should
    support Ron Paul.  The Palestinians and the
    Muslim population also get what they have long requested.  So why would we continue the failed policy
    that none of the people who have an interest involved want to continue? 

    Ron Paul would also free us from the corrupt
    institution that is the misleadingly named the United Nations.  I don’t know how Israel will decide to
    act.  Israel may decide to also leave the
    U.N.  They may even decide to leave the U.N.
    before we do, given the U.N.’s proposed actions for the near future.

  • Paul Marks

    For Israel to be partly depedent on the United States for defence makes Israel a hostage to internal American politics – and the election of Barack Obama (with his connections to people such as Rashid Khalidi) shows, American politics is a crazy thing to become dependent upon.

    There is only one reason why Israel could not fund 100% of its own defence – the Israeli Welfare State. Israel (or rather the people of Israel) must make a choice – what is more important,  social democratic dogma, or SURVIVAL?

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    Okay, so Feiglin is not the perfect libertarian. He is certainly a minarchist, having said in “Open Hunting Season on the Ultra-Orthodox”  that, “I am a proponent of minimal state intervention in every area except for security and justice.”

    So he’s certainly a minarchist, not an anarcho-capitalist. Okay, so that’s a flaw, to be sure, but it still puts him within the territory of libertarianism.

    Mandatory automobile insurance to ensure that people can refund others when they damage the others’ property, and taxes to pay for the police and army, are contrary to anarcho-capitalism, but still fit within classical-liberal minarchism, because the point is the state passing coercive laws to protect life and property. It might not be Rothbardian, but it is still Misesian and Jeffersonian. Close enough for now, and definitely closer to the truth than most people on earth.

    Also, I don’t think Feiglin is an economist. Most of his statements about libertarianism seem more deontological than economic. So it might very well be that he is concerned about liberty and freedom per se, but that he knows relatively little about economics per se. Perhaps he has no idea what having a central bank really means? Maybe he doesn’t realize how anti-liberty paper money is? But being ignorant of economics doesn’t negate the fact that I believe his heart is in the right place, i.e. that his heart is libertarian even if his brain lags behind.

    As for education, my understanding is that he wants to abolish the Ministry of Education, but that until then, he wants to at least put some Judaism into public education. Cf. how we want to abolish ALL legal tender whatsoever, but that in the meantime, we at least want a gold standard for legal tender. Sometimes, you have to take second-best.

  • SamK

    Saifedean, your comments are way off base. If you look at how the United States form, it was based on blood being shed. Their was a lot of cleansing of Indians and relocation of them also. They were not even granted Citizenship until 1924! You sound a leftist when you call Israel a racist state. I have heard people call the United States a racist state. Calling someone or a country racist is the last refuge of a leftist who had no legitamite arguments to make. There are people who are racists. Go to a Muslim country and see the anti-Jewish (not anti-Israel) propoganda propogated every single day. Your claim of “ethnic cleansining” is a joke as palestenians brag on how they are outbreeding Israeli Jews. I believe foreign aid hurts nations as it makes them dependent and prevents them from engaging in free enterprise. Population transfers whether voluntary or involuntary is not a pretty picture, but it has been going on for centuries.

  • http://twitter.com/josephberman Joseph K Berman

    “…it is only the LESS Zionist voices that advocate for aid”. Yes, groups like AIPAC are anti-Zionist.  So are people like Ehud Barak, Tzipi Livni, Benjamin Netanyahu, and every single other Israeli politician besides the three mentioned in this article.  This is just ridiculous.

  • http://twitter.com/josephberman Joseph K Berman

    Theft?  What are you talking about?  Foreign aid is an investment in global stability which is necessary for our export market.  Also, 74% of foreign aid received by Israel is spent IN AMERICA on American products.

  • http://tomwoods.com Tom Woods

    “Theft? What are you talking about?”

    Expropriating someone is considered theft in every context other than taxation; I see no reason not to apply it across the board.

    “Foreign aid is an investment in global stability, which is necessary for our export market.”

    Assuming you are not joking with us, what kind of return has foreign aid yielded us in “global stability,” exactly?  The current situation strikes you as “stable”?

    “Also, 74% of foreign aid received by Israel is spent IN AMERICA on American products.”

    So you support subsidizing American companies by seizing money from Americans and maneuvering it to them?  See why people have trouble believing people like you when you protest that you’re not a crony capitalist and genuinely believe in the free market?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1655825561 Jeff Cambeis

     I love to read what you write!

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.makovi Michael Makovi

    Putting aside AIPAC and Netanyahu, I think Ehud Barak and Tzipi Livni are DEFINITELY anti-Zionist. I don’t think anyone but the far-left in Israel would disagree with me.

  • Formerly Jerusalem Joe

    Because taxation is different.  Thieves take your money and keep it for their own personal use.  The taxes taken from us are used to support the public good.  Used a road lately? 

  • Formerly Jerusalem Joe

    You’re insane.  Benjamin Netanyahu loves Israel and loves the Jewish people.  Regardless of how you view his policies it is absolute insanity to categorize him as a non-Zionist.

  • http://tomwoods.com Tom Woods

    Yes, I know that is the stock answer we learn to repeat in fifth grade. I am trying to look at it at a slightly more fundamental level.

    (1) I find it touching that you believe tax revenues are directed to the “public good,” rather than to the various fiefdoms in Washington constantly angling for bigger budgets and their own narrow good. Audited the DoD lately?

    (2) So you believe the nature of theft is tied to the projects on which the violently seized funds are expended. I’ll be right over, then. I’ll help myself to $500 of your income so I can plant a lovely $100 garden that the public will love.

  • Leahbathar

    are you serious? It is the arab muslims that have ethnically cleansed Jews, that is why Jews left their country for one where they are not discriminated against

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yuval-Brandstetter/800937730 Yuval Brandstetter

    i totally agree with mr Paul. American has no business financing either Israel or her enemies, and doing both is ridiculous. Israel is now in a position to defend itself, and as for iron Dome, if America does not want to help develop, that is fine and dandy because they will need to purchase it at full market value in the future. Further American life and blood and treasure in Afpaq-iraq is totally unnecessary, and Europe had better protect itself.

  • Mlhmush

    lol  - does the world seem more or less stable lately?

  • Mlhmush

    doesn’t matter HOW the money is used, taking form anyone is theft.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SXD6UHKK4UDFTE4P5ZBJG2VPKM Michael Smith

    In the dying days of the Bush administration, and a week before Israel launched an aerial bombing campaign, followed by a land invasion of the Gaza Strip, the U.S. military shipped 989 containers of munitions to Israel.

    Each container was 20-feet long with a total estimated net weight of 14,000 tonnes. The shipment reportedly reached Israel last month at Ashod, 40 kiometres north of Gaza. The huge arsenal of munitions will replenish those expended in the Gaza War.

    According to Amnesty International in the UK, the shipment included white phosphorous.

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/israeli-armys-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-clear-undeniable-20090119

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SXD6UHKK4UDFTE4P5ZBJG2VPKM Michael Smith

    Sorry, but Netanyahu is an insane person — the man wishes we had bombed Auschwitz… with the Jews in it!

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/netanyahu-says-you-also-refused-to-bomb-auschwitz.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Panken/537608199 Andrew Panken

    We have a group on Facebook, Jews for Ron Paul 2012, which supports the principles advocated by Ron Paul and is supportive of Zionism, ie the continued existence of Israel. We’re working to educate those in the movement, who think Zionism and Israel are evil.



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